I mean, there was an idea that - They sort of bundled up a couple of ideas. But this idea that everything that the Europeans encountered was a pristine wilderness likely is not the case. And in most of the Western US and in most semiarid and arid ecosystems, even the idea of a climax state has now largely been discarded with the idea that, you know, whatever the plant community is now, it will follow some successional trajectory but not always the same one, just based on whatever influences happen to it in the future. And that if humans would just get out of the way and let it go, that the ecosystems all over the place would go back to what we might call, you know, a climax state in ecological terms. The idea that whatever was here before Europeans came was, you know, an ecological nirvana. But he's also written quite a bit about what he called the pristine-management-paradigm, which may have been also a reference to William Denevan's Pristine Myth. And we had been discussing - He's done a lot of research on cheatgrass and some other invasive annual grasses and, you know, how they were sort of like these diseases, you know, without precedent on this continent and largely without any control mechanisms.
Barry Perryman, who's a Range Ecologist at University of Nevada, Reno. I think I might have mentioned that your book was recommended to me by Dr. If you are tuning in for the first time on this episode, be sure to subscribe to the podcast and listen to Episode 95 for the first part of our conversation. This is the second in a two-part interview with Charles Mann, author of 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus.
The goal of this podcast is education and conservation through conversation. I'm your host, Tip Hudson, Range and Livestock Specialist with Washington State University Extension. Welcome to the Art of Range, a podcast focused on rangelands and the people who manage them.
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